Dr. Sarah Jane

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Yeah, look, it's a hard thing to say what I'm doing. Um, just...

Yeah, just like when you were having it done, it's hard to know what is happening. So it's, it's, I can give you an idea of what I think is happening. Um, so what I think is happening is that I'm assessing the body and not with my mind, but with communication of the body. So the body in the field is telling me what is stored. So what I mean by stored can be emotions, can be experiences, things you've gone through in your life. The body's almost like a timeline. So that's what I was saying to you. It's unique to you. It's like a fingerprint. And I can feel through the body and feel what's stored in there. What, what's holding you back? What protective strategy is maybe not serving you? Um, what's going on with the system? Like gut bacteria, parasites? What's happening with the organs? What's happening with our repression or our expression? All of these kind of things. But it's unique to every single person. Um, but what I believe I'm doing is that I'm communicating with the body and the field.

But you could do it too. So I guess, um, it's the same thing like when you got, get a gut feeling about something, for example, you don't know why. It may not make rational sense, but you just have a feeling. So just like you investing in a business, on paper it may not look like it's worth doing, but there's something inside you that's saying yes. So it's **gut instinct**.

And also there's no real, so all the education I've done is, is very paramount, don't get me wrong. But in the session that we just did then, I wasn't taught that at like university. I wasn't taught that in my, um, my book or my educational studies. It was, it was something that came to me from seeing a lot of different clients, um, as a chiropractor and and from studying psychology that I really saw this **connection between the mind and the body**. Um, I didn't see them as separate. So whatever happens in the mind, happens in the body and vice versa. And what I started realizing is that you can feel what that is in someone's body. Um, it's almost like any skill set.

Yeah, but I think I do think I'm not especially skilled at it. I think I've honed in on that skill, but I believe everyone has that capacity within them. Um, and it's **reading energy** as well. So just like if I walked in today and you guys had just had this massive argument in here, there'd be something telling me that, "Oh, the energy feels a bit like something's just happened here." So it's, it's that same inner intelligence that we all have as human beings. Uh, it's just I do it a lot consistently and it's I guess an art form that that I'm really passionate about and interested in.

Initially it was like that. So initially things that normal doctors or traditional Western medicine couldn't work out. So idiopathic things. Like people are developing autoimmune diseases and they don't know why. Um, so could be a thyroid condition.

Um, could be, uh, you know, things like pain syndromes like fibromyalgia, uh, psychogenic seizures, which are essentially trauma-related. Um, especially things that are a result of emotional distress or chronic trauma over a long period of time. Uh, so yeah, things that haven't been created by a pure physical incident.

Yeah, yeah. And can you treat that?

I, I believe what we can do is we can lower the stress response and therefore the body goes back into **homeostasis** and may not respond in the same way. Because autoimmune is essentially the body attacking itself.

Which means that the body is not in a harmonious state. There's something that's triggered that. And I've never found someone with an autoimmune condition who didn't have an intense emotional trauma that happened that triggered off that. So it to me medical, the medical system's amazing, but they never ask you about yourself and the context that got you there. They're just like, "You have this. Now you need to be on this for the rest of your life. You need to be on thyroxine or whatever." I don't believe that that's necessarily true. Um, I've seen a lot of clients who no longer need to take that. And by working through and healing their trauma that's in their system is that...

So they will, I will usually refer them to someone else for the diet. So like a naturopath, nutritionist to work out that side of things. But it's literally through spinal energetics. So it's working through the trauma. Another really great modality is **EMDR**, um, which is what psychologists do. It's rapid eye movement desensitization. Uh, and it changes the way that the brain stores trauma with working with the unconscious essentially. And that's what we're doing in spinal energetics too. So a lot of the stuff I found is nothing new if that makes sense to you. You would have gone, yeah, that's true. That's true. That's true. But consciously you wouldn't really know that if any of that's really holding you back, so to speak. Um, but there's no way I could have known what known. So if I'm telling you that's what I found, there's almost an instantaneous trust and belief to let go. And in that trust and belief is then telling the body to surrender. And it's telling you to surrender to then I guess heal for the lack of better word.

It depends what the causation was. So let's say a lot of people might go to the gym, for example. Yeah. And they've been, they're fit, they're young, they're healthy. And then all of a sudden they went to go pick something up and they injure themselves. Your body should have much more I guess wisdom to overcome such a little movement. So what's creating that is no, you didn't hurt yourself at the gym necessarily. What's creating that is usually an emotional stress that's taking up a lot of your emotional cup. And therefore your body's only got around that much space to work with and can't recover or can't, it, it can't recover the way it used to. So it's trying to talk to you. It's trying to communicate to you that something's not quite right. Also shoulder and arms can mean future. It can mean responsibility. So where it is in the body is actually essentially telling you what is occurring and what's happening for you as well. So there's a lot of people get irritated at the body symptoms when it's actually trying to communicate to you to listen.

Correct. Yeah. Yeah. But let's say you you fall down the stairs. Yeah. That's a completely different story. That's a different story. You don't see me for that. Um, you know, but when, when there's idiopathic things, things that don't quite make sense. You haven't actually done anything to create the pain that you're in. That's what we used to see a lot of. Or people whose blood tests were normal, but they're getting symptomatology. Um, or they're, they're having gut symptoms, bloating, all this stuff. But they've gone and had their gut checked and they don't have celiac disease for example. So then what is it? For us, it's usually an emotional trauma or traumas that or experiences for like a better word that out outside of someone's window of tolerance that are then affecting that person's body, their balance.

Yes. It's a co-facilitation. Yeah.

You should be.

Thank you. That means a lot.

They're influenced by both of those things.

Yeah, it's definitely influenced by reiki. Um, so we work with the energetic centers, just like you might in reiki.

Yeah, we work with the **chakras**. And we also work with, um, of chiropractic, we work with tension patterns and and kind of still with the notion that, um, the spine may change its placement like a traditional chiropractor might believe. Um, but our belief system is a bit different. So a traditional chiropractic belief might be, um, they call it a subluxation. We don't call it that. Um, but they believe that your spine's kind of gone out of place like this.

And then they will manipulate and put it back.

So that's essentially what I believe is kind of occurring. Um, but what happens is if you're not working with the field, you're almost actually trying to overpower the body's innate wisdom. The body has done this for a reason. We're now as a human being trying to change that and put it to this area. What happens a couple of days later or not even it does this again.

Um, and so for me then that's telling me that's not actually dealing with the root causation. 'Cause if you're working with the same intelligence that put it here, yeah, what the movements you see in the videos are in my belief system. Again, we don't have scientific proof yet, but I hope that we do one day. I believe that the movements are realigning with the intelligence itself.

I believe so. Yes. And they also believe in sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system. Correct. Do you believe in that as well?

Uh, I do believe in it to a degree. I don't believe that the sympathetic system is necessarily bad all the time though, either. So what we actually do in spinal energetics, we actually push people more into a sympathetic state at times and then drop them into a par...

Fight and flight. Yeah. Flight. So why we do that is, you can actually, there's some studies done, um, they've done it with Prana and yoga and other things too before. But what we believe is sometimes if we push someone further into sympathetic and then drop them into parasympathetic, the body has a different response to it. Um, you're also trying to make the body wrong a little bit then. You know, you're trying to overpower the body again. Yeah. So if you just allow the body to realize that it no longer needs to hold on to that stress, it creates the parasympathetic state itself, which is that resting, digesting. Um, so nervous systems really, really interesting. I, I was really into **polyvagal theory** for a minute. Peter Levine's work.

Polyvagal theory is about just the nervous system really intricately.

No, uh, yeah, it's got the vagus in it. And, um, just the different responses of the nervous system outside of just pure sympathetic and parasympathetic responses. So dorsal vagal, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I think it's a really intricate thing. But if people are more interested in going down the nervous system route, polyvagal theory, Stephen Porges, Peter Levine, really, really interesting, um, belief systems around the nervous system and and how it impacts our physiology. So even though we are working with the nervous system, we're working with it from an energetic, uh, we believe it happens in the field first and then occurs in the body.

No, I wish I could.

Be awesome. Um, I can't, but there are people that can. Um, for me, I feel it. Um, so I can sense it. I can feel it. Uh, and everyone has a different kind of field. But we work with different layers.

Some people feel warmth. I feel, uh, almost like someone's playing the piano underneath my fingers. Yeah, but it's taken a long time to feel that. Um, like years, years upon years. So when I first started, you know, I came from there was reiki, alpha alignment, chiropractic, Bowen technique. Um, in a dance...

Yeah. Have you heard Bowen?

It's a really interesting technique that, um, does really light touches and has really profound responses. And that's what really interested me in that kind of technique. Like, how can we impact the body so much, but so lightly? Because I think we're under this, um, I, I guess we're under this assumption that, let's say something's really painful that we need a lot of treatment on it.

Oh, Rolfing is...

It is. But it's bloody painful.

Yeah.

So not everyone would, but you would. Um, so that's because you have such a sensitive system and it's more emotional than anything else. So you actually need a system that works with your emotions. Touching Bowen would be better, but spinals would be, I, I like spinal, that's mine. But um, for some people, even seeing the traditional chiropractor or physiotherapists, they're going to be more pain after because they've had too much done for their nervous system. They've had too much done for their energetic system. So sometimes less is more. Yeah. Um, and and that's why, you know, it is confusing when you watch the videos and you see such, you know, off the body touch.

You did as well. No.

I can touch your physical body from up here.

Yeah, I can. Your your field goes to about here. So I could feel it through.

I prefer bigger. Yeah, so we actually try to expand people's fields.

Um, it will get to the point where I can touch the field out through here.

Yeah, which we like because out here, the deeper this is, deeper this is soul level. Yeah, we want to get to that.

I would say I can feel it more than see it.

Definitely Theo. Yeah, Steve. And follow by our other friend. Yeah. Um, and it's not "small's not bad." Um, I'm just messing with this.

Statement. No, he's just more, uh, rational. So, um, very in the head. Um, yeah, that's on point. Yeah. So, um, the more in head he is, the less embodied he is. Um, so therefore his feel is more mental. And so mental's here. Or soul's here. Physical's here. Mental's here. Emotional's here. So you're emotional here with a little bit of spiritual, which is surrogation for other people's emotions because you surrogate your family's emotions and other things. Um, and then soul's the next level, which is where you're going.

Yes.

Well, I always knew I was going to be a **tonal chiropractor**, which basically means low force. So the manipulation where you just touch, you know, the activator, like the clicker. And...

Um, you know what? Yes. I don't know how because I get clicked like, "Oh, does that, does that do anything?" Um, so here's my stance on... Plaintext

It some chiropractors and some physical therapists, what they do is they, they treat the same, uh, segments every time. And that to me is the body starts to become used to it. So a lot of the time your first couple of sessions, you get this really amazing response and then you plateau because there's no novelty anymore. So it's essentially like lifting the same weight at the gym.

You need to create novelty. And and for people to not be able to expect what's going to happen, which is also why it creates more change when you can't expect it. So when you can anticipate where they're going to go, exactly. And what they're going to do. Exactly. It changes the brain's response. I believe. But the activators do work. There is science behind the activator.

Um, but yeah, I prefer the field because I think that's where the most paramount change is because you're working with innate intelligence, rather than trying to fix someone's body. I don't ever look at someone like, "I'm trying to fix it." Um, I almost thank the body for the communication. But then how can we, 'cause if you didn't know, for example, that there was gut stuff going on, you wouldn't know to then be driven to go get it looked at.

What's your blood type though?

Blood type can also affect your ability to to absorb. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But I think because I've been taking say 60 supplements a day, yeah, all their supplements with fillers is probably doing damage to my, yeah, gut.

Well, I don't know exactly what it is, but all I know is that the gut was irritated. And you could feel the irritation. Yeah.

So that's why I suggested...

Yeah. So, um, and I think you'll find out something by that. Yeah, which is good. So that's not a bad thing. So it would actually be for me for like a better word, bad. If there was something going on in the gut and then the gut showing no symptomatology, we wouldn't want that. Yeah. We, we, so sometimes it's a way of of listening. So I'm not trying to go in there and fix things. Sometimes I'm just listening and going, "Hey, there's something going on here that you do need to look at. Thank goodness for the body for communicating that."

I, I refer out as well. Um, because it will just be quicker. And I, I believe in a **multi-modality approach**. So I'm not a purist. I believe that a lot of different things have, you know, uh, they, they work and different tools for different people work. Um, so for certain things like that, I will suggest a bacterial test because there could be something that a supplement, for example, could assist with alongside the energy work. Um, and those two things together can be really magical. So, um, yeah, I'm not kind of someone that like, spinal energetics fixes everything.

Yeah, I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's a combination of Eastern and Western. Yeah, I think that's where the the the beautiful spot is combining. Yeah, I think if you're too far down one way or too far down the other way, you don't have as many options either. Yeah. Um, you know, I think Western medicine has its place and Eastern philosophy has its place. But it's more so knowing when to use what. And it can be difficult because if you go see a Western specialist, they're never really going to suggest Eastern. So then you're kind of on your own journey trying to, you know, be pro like proactive or you're you're looking for things that they're not really going to work with. But imagine your your specialist worked with your acupuncturist or your specialist worked with you. It'd be so, so hard to get them talking.

Yeah. And when I go see doctors, they go, "Okay, take this supplement. Take this medication." Like I'm already on plenty of supplements. I don't need more. But they just keep throwing, yeah, crap at me. But they disagree. That's the other thing. So this person will think that what they're doing is right. This person thinks what they're doing is right. They will say the other person's wrong. Um, it, it becomes a bit more of an ego contest, rather than about the client or the patient in my experience. So for me, I'm all about the client. And if I believe seeing someone else also a system, then I will always refer out as well.

Um, so basically, kind of what we were talking about before. I would see an improvement, but then a plateau.

Um, they would still have to keep coming back. So I'm like, am I working with this? If they have to come back in two weeks' time. Like, you know, is that really, yeah, doing what I think it's doing?

Yeah. And then next week I'm to go get it filled again. So, um, for me, even though we are influenced by our environment, we are changing constantly. There's a lot of factors going on. Um, I still believe that if we work with the **root causation**, which for me is the innate intelligence and through the energy field, then I've observed that it stays. So, um, for example, Pip, she won't mind if I use her as an example. Hopefully not. Um, she had neck pain for many, many, many years. Um, seeing lots of different people. Had to keep going back. And was getting relief. It's not that it didn't work. It just she would have to keep going.

She hasn't had any neck pain for 18 months.

Yeah. I gave her a little touch. But then she vomited for two days after. Um, purge.

Yeah. So you can have a lot of these sessions can bring up a lot of emotional purges as well. Um, so especially if I'm working with the emotional, um, layer, so to speak. Um, it's not as, it's not as easy as other therapies. We make sure people understand the reverence and the honor of the work because it has a large impact. So it's not as simple as you quick quick in your out. Um, each session's different. Each experience is different. And and it's important that people understand that sometimes they might get a headache after and they'll need to drink more, you know, water or they might need to sleep after and they they can't wake up for like two days. Or they might have trouble speaking. And all of these things 'cause you're changing the way that the brain is is rewiring. Um, we believe neural pathways. So, um, yeah. So for Pip, it's not that she wasn't helped before. It was just they were working only on the physicality and it wasn't really a physical issue. So what it was was an emot issue from, I won't go into it. But...

No. Wasn't that actually, um, deeper than that. Um, so emotional stuff. And then once we work through that, that's then what was letting go of her neck tension. So we're working with the idea of like, why is it really there? What's the context of your life? What, why would your body create that? You know, and it's far, far deeper than just a physical response.

It's a trauma release. Yeah. So, um, it's, it's not that they're consciously choosing to do that. It's almost like shaking and, yeah, you can't help it, so to speak. Um, it's, it's, so what I believe we're doing is almost like a **timeline therapy** to a degree. So I believe that we go back into times of where that trauma is held and why. Um, and then the body releases it. But it releases it instinctively. Similar to like an animal shaking it off in the wild. The body starts to release it. 'Cause how often do we move like that or listen to these jerking feelings or these? We don't. Especially in Western culture. We're told to sit still and be quiet and, you know, um, so we're not as connected to that. So this gives people an opportunity to then release that. And they, they, it's not like we're, we're inducing something that they've never felt before. It's very, very, very interesting. They all feel like it's a re-remembering of something.

Yeah. Release that trauma. Yeah. Sometimes it's childhood. Sometimes it's more recent than that. Um, sometimes, you know, it could be anything. Could even be just work stress. So it doesn't have to be all these large traumas necessarily. But usually the pain that hasn't gone away for a long period of time without any reason is usually related to in my experience, trauma that's been there for a while.

I wouldn't say fix. So like, would fix...

Integrate it. Integrate the experience. Yes. Um, so you can improve my situation.

Definitely. Yeah. I would say if you had no difference between three sessions, that this isn't the the toolkit for you. I would refer you out if you had no change within three sessions.

Um, we've worked with all different types of people. I'm kind of shifting into more the entrepreneurial space now. So more high performers to get the best out of them.

Yeah. Um, athletes. Things like that. Um, stopping them from getting injured and and all that kind of thing. But when I first started, it was more because of my psych background and counseling background. It was more people who had emotional distress. But they had gone to talk therapy for years, but still felt like they were responding or reacting in ways like the trauma was still there. So they've done all the talk. It's still not working, so to speak. Um, so we'd get a lot of that. People with, um, more mental health kind of things like anxiety or or generalized anxiety, panic attacks, um, things like that. But we see anyone and everyone from a very, very different like, fast, fast group. If you're a human being, we can see. Yeah.

It's contextual. So antidepressants, it depends. So some people, the issue I have with antidepressants is that they're given out far too quickly without really exploring other options because antidepressants are very difficult to come off. I don't think that's expressed enough. So a lot of my clients, they find it very, very, very hard once they've started taking antidepressant to ever come off it. Um, so for me, if they were able to explore other things that weren't reliant upon a medication for the rest of their life, essentially, then yes. But also, if you have people who are ex, you know, extremely suicidal, are at a point where they're not even able to go and have the stability to go and experience spinal energetics, for example, then sometimes medication is the answer. So I'm not totally against antidepressants. Um, I, I've been on antidepressants myself. So that's why I speak on it. Um, but I think they're given out too quickly. And for example, my mom, I remember when she was, uh, grieving the loss of my arm, she was really upset. But as you would be, yeah, she just lost her mom. And they were like, "Oh, you might need to go on antidepressants." Well, no, she was actually just going through the grieving period and needed to go talk to someone about it. So, you know, and I also think it's part of the human condition to be depressed at times. So I'm a little bit different in that. I believe I don't know. I think you're odd if you've never been depressed.

Issue. And you can potentially help with that.

I think we can definitely help. Yeah, I think we can. We can help people come back to their true self. Um, that's essentially what we're doing. You know, um, help them come back to their authentic self. Um, and a lot of people are depressed for things like grief, sadness, you know, life's not always simple. I deal with, I've heard a lot of things where I could understand why people feel depressed at times. And what this does is it can help assist them, just like, you know, meditation might, extensive meditation. Um, it, it brings a peace to situations that people long for.

**Kundalini yoga**. Yoga and meditation.

It's a specific form of yoga. It, it has a few interesting wraps around it just because of, um, the founder. But, um, Kundalini yoga is basically working with energy and combined with yoga.

It's got breath work in it too. Like the original breath work. Okay. Yeah. The original breath work. Yeah. Like, um, we've changed breath work into these days to be more applicable for the Westerner. Yeah. Um, but Prana and yoga breath work was kind of, I guess for like a better word, the original breath work, um, techniques. Um, so I, I, I really found a huge, uh, benefit from Kundalini yoga. The **Vipassana** is also free. Um, the Vipassana is a 10-day silent meditation course.

It's one of the best things I've ever done.

Yeah. And it's free. And, um, you know, you could do it. I'd actually love for you to do it.

Yeah. You'd really, you get so much out of it. Um, and you're working with, um, the same, the Vipassana was essentially the Buddha's meditation. Um, and you meditate for hours upon hours a day.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's lots. Oh, wow. Yeah. So that's free. Um, so these are all things that you can work on. Um, and do that isn't necessarily spinal energetics. But, you know, we used to have, um, group sessions and things like that to make it available for people. And we have online sessions. And we've got about 600 practitioners around the world. So if someone's not close to you, you can do online sessions as well.

Yeah. It works online just the same.

It's crazy. I never would have believed it. Um,

Uh, I'm kind of a bit more similar to you in that way. Like never satisfied.

No. Um, so yeah, I don't really feel anything about it. Which probably something I need to work on. Um, I'm yeah, look, I just want to be able to, my goal was for this to be accessible to anyone and everyone all around the world. And we're getting there.

Yeah. And I just wanted to be able to change. I always looked at it by changing one person's world at a time, rather than trying to change the whole world. Um, and we've done that too. But for me, um, I just know the work is so beautiful. It's something, it changed my life. And so it's just this push to want to get it out there because it's, it's not easy. You know, putting my face to it as well. Um, even the videos and stuff. Like I get judged a lot for criticism, for a lot. But my, my knowing of the work is so far larger than the...

Don't read comments on social media. No, I stopped that. Um, I did at the start and I went, "Okay, I probably can't read that."

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, you're like, "You're too fat. You're too skinny. You do this. You should go kill yourself." Like really, really intense things. Yeah. Um, nuts. It's nuts. But they're not real people anyway. Or like, you like, no one would say that to your face. Um, or maybe they would, I don't know. But for me, that was also a sign of success. As weird as that sounds, I'm like, "Good. It's getting out there." Because first comes that, that's how you know you're starting to make an impact. And what I love about spinal is it's such a, it's such a jarring thing to watch. You either are so fascinated by it that you want to find out more. Or you're like, "That's not for me." So it's quite, you know, I like that it's got a paradoxical. Um,

But that's what I like about like real, it makes you feel something. And I'm all about real things making you feel something. So, um, that's just, I think it's my purpose. That's why I'm here. And that's why I share. You know, I started from the chiropractic background. And, you know, it can be quite guru mentality at times and and quite fixed in belief systems. Whereas, you know, this is my belief system now. But I'm always very open to learning and and coming in with like a beginner's mind and and seeing what else. Like, I could a year from now be like, "No, Nick, this is this is now what I'm finding." And I like that. Um, I don't like being put in a box.

Um, we're doing our trainings again this year. Uh, 'cause obviously I can't see everyone. So that's why we started training people. Uh, so we're doing our trainings in the UK, in Canada, in America, and in Melbourne. Um, yeah, that's it. I'd never really planned too much. Because...

Yeah, well, this was never the plan anyway necessarily. Um, I just started practicing like this and then came up with the course and then it just kind of took on a a life of its own.

I wouldn't, I would say it could show up. And so you would know that there's something causing issues. Yeah. Um, some things like that need a little bit more assistance than just what we're doing. But look, the possibilities are really large when you're working with the field. You know, if you just look at Joe Dispenza and his work. And...

And some of the things he's seen from working in the field. Yeah.

He was a chiropractor too. So a lot of famous chiropractors go from being traditional to moving into the energy field.

Um, I think we come to the same conclusion that this isn't this physical thing is not it. There's got to be something.

Well, we are taught to sense. Like there's like a thing called the **hair test** when you're in school. So they put a strand of hair in the Yellow Book pages and you have to be able to get to the point where you can feel the hair from the whole stack of pages. So you are highly sensitive to to sensation and feeling. And you're touching people all the time. You're listening to people all the time. It's a very personal, um, thing. I love about chiropractic is everyone loves their chiro. Like they, you know, you get invited to weddings and things like that because you make such a profound impact on people's lives. It's you feel cared for. And it's not often you do feel like that in our system. Um, but for me, it was still coming to a, it still wasn't quite it. It was close. But it wasn't it. And that's when I started learning other techniques as well. Um, and I went on for Vipassana. Um, went to Philippines and learn **inner dance**, which is the traditional Kundalini kind of evoking technique. Um, reiki, all of those kind of things. Did my yoga, meditation teacher training. Like everyone. Um, did my counseling. And I was just really interested in how we could work in a way that was really integrative.

That's how I started doing it. Yeah.

I actually started doing it first and then I had to write it after. So I had to write it backwards. I was already doing it and then I had to try and come up with what I was actually doing on paper.

It was always spinal energetics. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, or like there was a few like spiny or spinology kind of things. Spinology was already taken. Um, um, but then I was like, "No, we need to spinal energetics." Is it, um, my mentor, Ki, she was, um, a chiropractor who I worked for initially. The reason I became a chiro. She has her own technique called **spinal flow**. So it was kind of a pay tribute to her as well.

I would say they're illnesses as such, but it could be **depression**. It could be anything from depression, **anxiety**, um, **addictions**. We get a lot of that as well.

Yeah. **Eating disorders**. Because also because they're all actually...

Well, it's related to trauma. Yeah. Never about food and it's never about the drug. It's about the pain that the person was in. So anything like that we can really assist with 'cause we're resolving that that wound.

Yeah, yeah. So we work alongside them going into like a rehab, for example. Um, when I was in clinic, we had a lot of people getting outpatient care. So they would go, they stay in the facility, um, and then come out and get their sessions. So we'd work together. Um, but again, that was them choosing to do that as part of their own care.

Everyone's different. Um, because everyone's gone through different things as well. So it's to the ex, like what's the extent of it? Um, but I would say within three sessions people notice a shift. Um, and that shift gives them enough to want to, yeah, to want to to at least have capacity and space to work through other stuff as well because that's really what it is. Their cup's just full and they're in so much pain. So if, for example, you're addicted to opioids, you don't want to feel anything. Yes. Um, if you are, for example, having an eating disorder, there's something where you want to punish yourself. So you stop food. You don't need a dietician telling you that you need to eat more. So you're, you're almost counseling people.

But when you did the treatment on me, you actually you were talking.

Yeah. So I do that if with everyone.

Yeah. And then they release it themselves.

So sometimes I won't talk as much. Other times I talk more. Other the talking as well in itself changes the body's expression of it. So that's also how I know I'm right. Like I'm on the right, I guess, um, target because when I start talking about it, it starts to almost the body starts to feel different. And I start to see a change in your face as well. Also, when you close your eyes, you start rapid, rapid eye movement, which is how you, you know, when we sleep, we in rapid eye movement state. Um, so it's changing your state of consciousness. So in that state of consciousness, we're shifting the unconscious, I believe. 'Cause consciously what I said, you might already know. But that's not enough. That's why talk therapy is not always enough. You're working with the conscious. So this is almost unconscious counseling, so to speak. Combined with a bit of conscious.

Mhm. So for me, I'll talk about it from how I look at it as a spinal energetics practitioner. So, um, a lot of us think this is where we end. And there's far more to us than that. And there's a lot of science for the energetic field and that we are energy. That's not a debatable, uh, topic, so to speak. The debatable topic is how do we access the field and and how can we do that? And are people actually moving like that? But for me, in the way that we work with the layers of the field, the layers of the field are actually connecting to the innate intelligence. But what we're doing is we're finding the causation for say the tension in your body. So if I'm here, this is a physical layer, then I go into the emotional layer, then I go into the mental, spiritual, soul. Okay. So for me, I can work in the field. Find where the most resonance is or connection is. And let's say it's in the emotional layer. That's where I access from. And that's telling me that it's an emotional causation in your field that's created that tension pattern. So that's how I work with the field to then connect the innate wisdom to then unwind. Um, but there's a lot of different other aspects. You know, people have heard of auras. Um, people have heard of like subtle bodies and all that kind of thing. Uh, there's a lot around that. But for us, that's how we look at it. We look at it as a layered system to find out why this has occurred. And then we can work with that by creating like providing safety, um, connection, trust. And then the body is, "I can let go of this now."

Yes.

Um, physical feels more dense. Okay. Um, and it should be. It's got more density to it. And then it feels lighter the further up you go. Um, why exactly, I don't know. Sometimes emotional can feel a bit muddy. Yeah. Um, but what's interesting as well is when you feel the body on the physicality, you can sometimes feel emotional physicality too. So it might feel more puffy for example. And that might be more chemical. Um, and that's how I felt your gut. It felt puffy.

Yeah. So there's different feelings for different things. But they can mean the, the hard part about this is, there's, there's books out there say like metaphysical anatomy where like, "This equals that." But like, you know, like liver always equals this. Um, but for me, I find that it's more unique than that. And I think it's more individualized than that. And so I just listen to what that person's body is saying.

Yeah.

Four days. I do four days. Yeah. I don't know if you'll probably learn it quicker. Um, but it's the in this in the course, it's kind of mapped out first because people don't have the intuition as much in the West. Um, so we kind of do map it like an assessment and things like that. So they have a Westernized viewpoint to go off. But then what ends up happening is that they have the intuition turn on.

And then they work intuitively.

Yeah. So for us, imbalance means is it, it's working optimally. So it's not hyper and it's not hypo. Or it's not rich, like too much or not enough. So the cases, it's contextual as well. So let's just say, for example, you're walking down a dark alley. We, we want you to have a protective strategy on. And we want that protective strategy to be appropriate. What we wouldn't want and then then your field is harmonious as well. What we wouldn't want is you just walking in here, say the office and having the same experience as if you're walking through a dark alley. Um, because then that means that there's trauma and there's accumulation. There's accumulation in your field. Like almost like a backpack that you're still carrying into a new situation. Uh, so for us, we'd want to bring that into balance so that no matter the context, you're, you're able to respond appropriately.

Correct. Yeah.

Uh, no, not initially. Yeah. Um, and that's okay. We're humans. We're going to experience a lot of different things. Um, but most of the time I see if they're imbalanced, it's, it's for good reason. So it's a, it's a normal response to an abnormal situation. If that is the case, we just need to bring the normality, so to speak, back to them.

No, thank you. Appreciate your time.